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		<title>By: Indian Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.socialevils.org.uk/2008/04/09/consumerism/comment-page-1/#comment-273</link>
		<dc:creator>Indian Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with some of the above statements however consumerism,advertising and technology is what keeps the economies aflot in the western world. We have i believe become americanized if their is such a word. Who amongst us is prepared to go back to the stone age. The americans said that they would bomb the afghan people back to the stone age. However if you believe the media the afghan people are already living in the stone age. As far as i can see there are happy living the way they do yet the western countries move in and set up their factories. The people in these eastern countries make clothes,electronics etc in these factories for us in the west to buy. I always buy an item because i have researched it my self not because and advert tells me it is better than something i have already got. At the heart of it i think is self esteem and we are put one against the other because the media tells us our mp3 player or stereo is out of date and now sounds awful. WHY DO WE BUY INTO THE MATERIAL DREAM? Well no man is an island...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with some of the above statements however consumerism,advertising and technology is what keeps the economies aflot in the western world. We have i believe become americanized if their is such a word. Who amongst us is prepared to go back to the stone age. The americans said that they would bomb the afghan people back to the stone age. However if you believe the media the afghan people are already living in the stone age. As far as i can see there are happy living the way they do yet the western countries move in and set up their factories. The people in these eastern countries make clothes,electronics etc in these factories for us in the west to buy. I always buy an item because i have researched it my self not because and advert tells me it is better than something i have already got. At the heart of it i think is self esteem and we are put one against the other because the media tells us our mp3 player or stereo is out of date and now sounds awful. WHY DO WE BUY INTO THE MATERIAL DREAM? Well no man is an island&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Imrie</title>
		<link>http://www.socialevils.org.uk/2008/04/09/consumerism/comment-page-1/#comment-245</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Imrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 10:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My greatest fear is the corruption and greed from the highest to the lowest level. There is no honest lead from central government, or for that matter the church! In this greedy selfish world the laws of God are forgotten!. Politicians by their attitudes and determination to try and ensure that their expenses were kept hidden from the public. Thankfully, this was not allowed to happen and we are now well aware of the way they have used our money to further their own ends! When they come away with phrases like the views of the public are important to us and their concerns are our concerns, you no longer believe them and take everything they say with a massive shovel full of salt!. There is an answer to all of the Social Evils but this requires a miracle: Society has to change and I don&#039;t just mean politicians church leaders and big industry and commerce, and of course the media. The people have to be prepared to stand up and put pressure on all of the above mentioned, it is the only way our country is going to recover. At the moment people are held down, the central government don&#039;t want to give the people any more power than they have to. They feel that they would lose control and control is power, so they will continue to pay lip service to peoples concerns but because they are getting good sums of money from the oil, gas, electricity, banks etc; they will not rock the boat! When the Labour leadership at No 10 changed we were promised a new listening government unfortunately, they did not say it would be an acting one!. If they had really been listening they would by now have addressed most of the public concerns, more legislation is not the answer if it cannot be properly policed. Politicians also have to stop sniping at each other. The more this goes on the further down the drain our country will go. Country in my book is far more important than party politics where if MPs have concerns about something they are afraid to go against the policy of their party, because the whips will bring pressure to bear to ensure that they toe the party line. This in my view is not democracy. We show horror at the way Zimbawe and other countries like Burma and China and Iran treat their own people, but we fail to realise that in many ways we are being treated in similar fashion. We are such hypocrites! over taxed pressured and conned and living in a state of fear. Unless we wake up the situation we are in now will be completely out of control within another year. We can all change things for the better if we are at last willing to make a stand. It is our country our decision!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My greatest fear is the corruption and greed from the highest to the lowest level. There is no honest lead from central government, or for that matter the church! In this greedy selfish world the laws of God are forgotten!. Politicians by their attitudes and determination to try and ensure that their expenses were kept hidden from the public. Thankfully, this was not allowed to happen and we are now well aware of the way they have used our money to further their own ends! When they come away with phrases like the views of the public are important to us and their concerns are our concerns, you no longer believe them and take everything they say with a massive shovel full of salt!. There is an answer to all of the Social Evils but this requires a miracle: Society has to change and I don&#8217;t just mean politicians church leaders and big industry and commerce, and of course the media. The people have to be prepared to stand up and put pressure on all of the above mentioned, it is the only way our country is going to recover. At the moment people are held down, the central government don&#8217;t want to give the people any more power than they have to. They feel that they would lose control and control is power, so they will continue to pay lip service to peoples concerns but because they are getting good sums of money from the oil, gas, electricity, banks etc; they will not rock the boat! When the Labour leadership at No 10 changed we were promised a new listening government unfortunately, they did not say it would be an acting one!. If they had really been listening they would by now have addressed most of the public concerns, more legislation is not the answer if it cannot be properly policed. Politicians also have to stop sniping at each other. The more this goes on the further down the drain our country will go. Country in my book is far more important than party politics where if MPs have concerns about something they are afraid to go against the policy of their party, because the whips will bring pressure to bear to ensure that they toe the party line. This in my view is not democracy. We show horror at the way Zimbawe and other countries like Burma and China and Iran treat their own people, but we fail to realise that in many ways we are being treated in similar fashion. We are such hypocrites! over taxed pressured and conned and living in a state of fear. Unless we wake up the situation we are in now will be completely out of control within another year. We can all change things for the better if we are at last willing to make a stand. It is our country our decision!</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://www.socialevils.org.uk/2008/04/09/consumerism/comment-page-1/#comment-236</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 10:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest social evil currently facing the UK is the excessive cost of housing. The greed of some seeking to prosper by buying up homes and forcing others to rent when they would once have had the opportunity to buy has led to immense deterioration in the housing stock, a housing bubble which is currently bursting and vast numbers of landlords who are not morally fit for the job. Homes are for living in not for hoarding. We now have a generation and a half who are priced out and the knock-on effect is mass emigration for those who can get out and a total demoralisation among those who are stuck in the UK. It impacts creativity, aspiration, the creation of stable homes in which to nurture a family and why? All for the right of the few to pursue their &#039;right&#039; to a &#039;pension&#039;! Sitting back and watching this happen over the last decade has been the most destructive thing that has happened to this country in the post war years. Ban second-home ownership, professionalise landlords so that they have to provide a service rather than suck funds from the priced out and allow house prices to do what they must do - FALL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest social evil currently facing the UK is the excessive cost of housing. The greed of some seeking to prosper by buying up homes and forcing others to rent when they would once have had the opportunity to buy has led to immense deterioration in the housing stock, a housing bubble which is currently bursting and vast numbers of landlords who are not morally fit for the job. Homes are for living in not for hoarding. We now have a generation and a half who are priced out and the knock-on effect is mass emigration for those who can get out and a total demoralisation among those who are stuck in the UK. It impacts creativity, aspiration, the creation of stable homes in which to nurture a family and why? All for the right of the few to pursue their &#8216;right&#8217; to a &#8216;pension&#8217;! Sitting back and watching this happen over the last decade has been the most destructive thing that has happened to this country in the post war years. Ban second-home ownership, professionalise landlords so that they have to provide a service rather than suck funds from the priced out and allow house prices to do what they must do &#8211; FALL!</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Hall</title>
		<link>http://www.socialevils.org.uk/2008/04/09/consumerism/comment-page-1/#comment-219</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 13:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There can&#039;t be any dispute that consumerism and greed are absolutely endemic in the UK. We might all disagree where it originated from; personally I think it was from the Tory policy of monetarism which began with Thatcher; their reasons for doing so are complex but there can be little doubt the Tories took the brakes off easy credit and saw consumer spending as a way of boosting the economy.

There can&#039;t be any doubt that this consumer binge that has gone on almost unchecked for nearly 30 years has been a total disaster. Solutions for controlling consumerism and greed are simple yet I would argue would be politically difficult to implement. Our culture of entitlement has made putting the brakes on spending with impunity nearly impossible. Whatever talk there is of a &quot;credit crunch&quot; Britain is still flush with easy money; we have to control the amount of credit people are using to fund lifestyles which are completely beyond their means. People want so many consumer goods *right now* and they are very willing to resort to debt to fund it. Compared to their incomes, most Britain&#039;s can&#039;t really afford huge LCD TVs, iPods, fancy mobile phones exotic holidays and the like. To make it possible they keep adding to their ever growing debt-mountain to pay for it all.

As we keep pressing our foot on credit accelerator people keep getting stuck in a negative feedback loop. The more they spend, the more goods they obtain and the more quickly they become dissatisfied with them. They become dissatisfied so quickly because of two primary reasons; the don&#039;t feel the pain of having to save the money to purchase the goods and the producers of such goods make them rapidly obsolete to keep people buying them - they create trivial improvements that whilst not substantially improving the product they know consumers will start to become quickly dissatisfied and want to replace them.

So, the first plank of my argument to start to strangle unchecked consumerism and greed is to start making credit more difficult to obtain; slow the down the slew of credit cards available, stop the insane 120% mortgages and debt consolidation companies which are little better than loan sharks that allow people to load up with unimaginable debt they will *never* repay. Lifetime debt is already with us.

A second issue to tackle is the way our culture has become over commodified. We have allowed our environment to become almost entirely colonised by greedy companies and profiteers from rip-off phone-in quizzes on TV, to relentless advertising and branding to the takeover of public spaces like renaming stadiums after junk-food and beer companies. This has saturised our culture with wall-to-wall profiteers and has taken over our lives and has been profoundly anti-democratic; we have no sense of control of anything as they&#039;ve all been handed over to private firms. Giving control of country to the hands of the greedy has been a cultural, political and economic time-bomb.

My third and final suggestion is to tackle the poison of private property; everything from the water in our tap to the genes in our own bodies are being copyrighted, owned, taken from us - our great commonwealth is effectively being stolen from under us. The crusade for private property has become the greatest example of criminality of our age; we are being enslaved by a giant protection racket and this extortion racket is utterly pervasive; like a virus it&#039;s spread to the extent you have to pay to do almost anything even though you&#039;ve probably already paid already - this endless double-dipping for our basic needs has to and absolutely must stop.

Unless there is some kind of democratic revolution any of this is highly unlikely to occur - regardless of which is the major three parties you vote for, none of them are at all interested in tacking the status quo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There can&#8217;t be any dispute that consumerism and greed are absolutely endemic in the UK. We might all disagree where it originated from; personally I think it was from the Tory policy of monetarism which began with Thatcher; their reasons for doing so are complex but there can be little doubt the Tories took the brakes off easy credit and saw consumer spending as a way of boosting the economy.</p>
<p>There can&#8217;t be any doubt that this consumer binge that has gone on almost unchecked for nearly 30 years has been a total disaster. Solutions for controlling consumerism and greed are simple yet I would argue would be politically difficult to implement. Our culture of entitlement has made putting the brakes on spending with impunity nearly impossible. Whatever talk there is of a &#8220;credit crunch&#8221; Britain is still flush with easy money; we have to control the amount of credit people are using to fund lifestyles which are completely beyond their means. People want so many consumer goods *right now* and they are very willing to resort to debt to fund it. Compared to their incomes, most Britain&#8217;s can&#8217;t really afford huge LCD TVs, iPods, fancy mobile phones exotic holidays and the like. To make it possible they keep adding to their ever growing debt-mountain to pay for it all.</p>
<p>As we keep pressing our foot on credit accelerator people keep getting stuck in a negative feedback loop. The more they spend, the more goods they obtain and the more quickly they become dissatisfied with them. They become dissatisfied so quickly because of two primary reasons; the don&#8217;t feel the pain of having to save the money to purchase the goods and the producers of such goods make them rapidly obsolete to keep people buying them &#8211; they create trivial improvements that whilst not substantially improving the product they know consumers will start to become quickly dissatisfied and want to replace them.</p>
<p>So, the first plank of my argument to start to strangle unchecked consumerism and greed is to start making credit more difficult to obtain; slow the down the slew of credit cards available, stop the insane 120% mortgages and debt consolidation companies which are little better than loan sharks that allow people to load up with unimaginable debt they will *never* repay. Lifetime debt is already with us.</p>
<p>A second issue to tackle is the way our culture has become over commodified. We have allowed our environment to become almost entirely colonised by greedy companies and profiteers from rip-off phone-in quizzes on TV, to relentless advertising and branding to the takeover of public spaces like renaming stadiums after junk-food and beer companies. This has saturised our culture with wall-to-wall profiteers and has taken over our lives and has been profoundly anti-democratic; we have no sense of control of anything as they&#8217;ve all been handed over to private firms. Giving control of country to the hands of the greedy has been a cultural, political and economic time-bomb.</p>
<p>My third and final suggestion is to tackle the poison of private property; everything from the water in our tap to the genes in our own bodies are being copyrighted, owned, taken from us &#8211; our great commonwealth is effectively being stolen from under us. The crusade for private property has become the greatest example of criminality of our age; we are being enslaved by a giant protection racket and this extortion racket is utterly pervasive; like a virus it&#8217;s spread to the extent you have to pay to do almost anything even though you&#8217;ve probably already paid already &#8211; this endless double-dipping for our basic needs has to and absolutely must stop.</p>
<p>Unless there is some kind of democratic revolution any of this is highly unlikely to occur &#8211; regardless of which is the major three parties you vote for, none of them are at all interested in tacking the status quo.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.socialevils.org.uk/2008/04/09/consumerism/comment-page-1/#comment-208</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 10:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hoew could I offer a solution when better brains than mine (allegedly) cannot offer one. It seems to me that since 1997 it has been a cynical &quot;bread and circuses&quot; approach on the part of the Labour Party to keep the voters happy and deaden discussion or dissent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hoew could I offer a solution when better brains than mine (allegedly) cannot offer one. It seems to me that since 1997 it has been a cynical &#8220;bread and circuses&#8221; approach on the part of the Labour Party to keep the voters happy and deaden discussion or dissent.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Demack</title>
		<link>http://www.socialevils.org.uk/2008/04/09/consumerism/comment-page-1/#comment-187</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Demack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 12:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes - in the Thatcher years ( not that long ago ) success was very much measured by spending capability and earning capacity. I also recall John Major stressing that the party would listen to the public when it became a mess. History appears to be repeating itself once again , though the personalities are different. The problem is that the success of office in government equates to a substantial income, benefits and expenses - still to be upgraded. Those in power are fearful of relinquishing their gains - be they ill-gotten or otherwise. What about a parliamentary party directed by independent thinking people without hauling their party loiad behind them - would that lead to blue skies I wonder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes &#8211; in the Thatcher years ( not that long ago ) success was very much measured by spending capability and earning capacity. I also recall John Major stressing that the party would listen to the public when it became a mess. History appears to be repeating itself once again , though the personalities are different. The problem is that the success of office in government equates to a substantial income, benefits and expenses &#8211; still to be upgraded. Those in power are fearful of relinquishing their gains &#8211; be they ill-gotten or otherwise. What about a parliamentary party directed by independent thinking people without hauling their party loiad behind them &#8211; would that lead to blue skies I wonder.</p>
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		<title>By: Alison</title>
		<link>http://www.socialevils.org.uk/2008/04/09/consumerism/comment-page-1/#comment-183</link>
		<dc:creator>Alison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 11:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One suggested solution that might help a bit is tight legislation to control and minimise advertising.  Why should we be bombarded with product advertising wherever we go?  What if only products and activities that met strict criteria on sustainability could be advertised.  I&#039;d love to see the money and creativity that goes in to car advertising directed into advertising wildflower meadow seeds, or play parks, or tree planting schemes.  Cut product/activity advertising right back, and only if they enhance our environment and happiness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One suggested solution that might help a bit is tight legislation to control and minimise advertising.  Why should we be bombarded with product advertising wherever we go?  What if only products and activities that met strict criteria on sustainability could be advertised.  I&#8217;d love to see the money and creativity that goes in to car advertising directed into advertising wildflower meadow seeds, or play parks, or tree planting schemes.  Cut product/activity advertising right back, and only if they enhance our environment and happiness.</p>
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		<title>By: Barrie Singleton</title>
		<link>http://www.socialevils.org.uk/2008/04/09/consumerism/comment-page-1/#comment-174</link>
		<dc:creator>Barrie Singleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 10:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JOSEPH ROWNTREE – ERIC BERNE

Joseph Rowntree called upon us all to seek out the fundamental causes of weakness and evil in society. 
Eric Berne gave us a succinct view of self-and-others; the tool required to achieve the above aim. 

I would assert that (whether evil comes from social incompetence or – if such is your view - from letting the Devil in) its root cause IS weakness; the weakness of the individual. 

In Berne’s terms, weakness amounts to an under-developed Adult ego state* in the psyche; a condition I see as pertaining all over the planet. The two terrible truths of society, are: (1) individual weakness is increasing, and (2) the overcompensating-weak, rise to positions of power. Consequently, any corrective effort must reach out directly to the very young as the Powers That Be are, instinctively, fearful of general empowerment. 

I have synthesised an approach. It can be found  www.barriesingleton.co.uk  as outlined in 1995 to Rowntree. Click on “Visionary Stuff”.

Only wisdom empowers; cleverness is inclined to enslave. Development of a strong Adult ego state engenders wisdom and is vital to individual, family, group, state and world stability. Adult strength is the ultimate answer to every weakness and evil.

* Transactional Analysis    http://changingminds.org/explanations/behaviors/ta.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JOSEPH ROWNTREE – ERIC BERNE</p>
<p>Joseph Rowntree called upon us all to seek out the fundamental causes of weakness and evil in society.<br />
Eric Berne gave us a succinct view of self-and-others; the tool required to achieve the above aim. </p>
<p>I would assert that (whether evil comes from social incompetence or – if such is your view &#8211; from letting the Devil in) its root cause IS weakness; the weakness of the individual. </p>
<p>In Berne’s terms, weakness amounts to an under-developed Adult ego state* in the psyche; a condition I see as pertaining all over the planet. The two terrible truths of society, are: (1) individual weakness is increasing, and (2) the overcompensating-weak, rise to positions of power. Consequently, any corrective effort must reach out directly to the very young as the Powers That Be are, instinctively, fearful of general empowerment. </p>
<p>I have synthesised an approach. It can be found  <a href="http://www.barriesingleton.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.barriesingleton.co.uk</a>  as outlined in 1995 to Rowntree. Click on “Visionary Stuff”.</p>
<p>Only wisdom empowers; cleverness is inclined to enslave. Development of a strong Adult ego state engenders wisdom and is vital to individual, family, group, state and world stability. Adult strength is the ultimate answer to every weakness and evil.</p>
<p>* Transactional Analysis    <a href="http://changingminds.org/explanations/behaviors/ta.htm" rel="nofollow">http://changingminds.org/explanations/behaviors/ta.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: David Easton</title>
		<link>http://www.socialevils.org.uk/2008/04/09/consumerism/comment-page-1/#comment-170</link>
		<dc:creator>David Easton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gread is the basis of all evils. The desire for excessive wealth leads to financial, physical and sexual exploitation. The desire for an unequal share leads to poverty  and econimonic slavery for others. One mans life of ease and idolence is anothers life of toil I make no apoligy if this seams over simplified its how I see it. The financial instituions market themselves on the honest carefull management of funds and savings yet large amounts are &quot;lost&quot;. Consumerism is encouraged in the never ending drive for profit. loans are easy wages are kept low and prices are allowed to rise many do not apreciate that if you buy on credit the price rises. legislation encourage alchohol drug abuse and gambling and the cycle continuse,all in the pursuit of wealth power and control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gread is the basis of all evils. The desire for excessive wealth leads to financial, physical and sexual exploitation. The desire for an unequal share leads to poverty  and econimonic slavery for others. One mans life of ease and idolence is anothers life of toil I make no apoligy if this seams over simplified its how I see it. The financial instituions market themselves on the honest carefull management of funds and savings yet large amounts are &#8220;lost&#8221;. Consumerism is encouraged in the never ending drive for profit. loans are easy wages are kept low and prices are allowed to rise many do not apreciate that if you buy on credit the price rises. legislation encourage alchohol drug abuse and gambling and the cycle continuse,all in the pursuit of wealth power and control.</p>
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		<title>By: MariA</title>
		<link>http://www.socialevils.org.uk/2008/04/09/consumerism/comment-page-1/#comment-149</link>
		<dc:creator>MariA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 20:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the media should take a massive share of the overall responsibility for a lot of the social evils that have been identified through this consultation.  They&#039;re only interested in selling papers / getting their audience ratings up etc and will say whatever that pull people in, even if that creates a completely false sense of &#039;reality&#039; and then, it sadly often becomes self-fulfilling.   

On another point:
Having only read the summary of findings and not yet looked at the full report from the consultation, I think more should be made of the fact that respondents were self-selected, not representative of the public at large.  Do you have the respondents&#039; profile (e.g. socio-economic, gender, age, geographical spread)?  It&#039;d be good to know who responded and how views varied across different sub-groups.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the media should take a massive share of the overall responsibility for a lot of the social evils that have been identified through this consultation.  They&#8217;re only interested in selling papers / getting their audience ratings up etc and will say whatever that pull people in, even if that creates a completely false sense of &#8216;reality&#8217; and then, it sadly often becomes self-fulfilling.   </p>
<p>On another point:<br />
Having only read the summary of findings and not yet looked at the full report from the consultation, I think more should be made of the fact that respondents were self-selected, not representative of the public at large.  Do you have the respondents&#8217; profile (e.g. socio-economic, gender, age, geographical spread)?  It&#8217;d be good to know who responded and how views varied across different sub-groups.</p>
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