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	<title>Comments on: A decline of values</title>
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		<title>By: J.R.Pullan FRSA</title>
		<link>http://www.socialevils.org.uk/2008/04/09/decline-of-values/comment-page-1/#comment-275</link>
		<dc:creator>J.R.Pullan FRSA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moral and social decline stems from the departure from the more widely acepted authority of The Word of God that obtained prior to the formulation of evolutionary theories of origins.   This hypothesis is predicated on the assumption of astronomical aeons of time as the context of life. Concomittant dismissal of ultimate Sivine judgment has left many feeling that man is the arbiter of his own destiny and social patterns of behaviour. The crux is that this needs to be reversed.  But the hypothesis is blindly believed and propogated as fact. It has, thereby, undermnined and made flexible moral standards and attitudes that this debate seeks to study.
 The current climate of degeneration will inevitably escalate when morality is a variable,- according to the opinion-based theories that devalue man from the true postion of a special recent creation answerable to his or her Maker. 

  Jesus predicted a global Hoahic climate of indulgent rebellion in later times.  We who know this are challenged to advocate the remedy and give due warning of the consequences.
That is repentance and faith in God and His power for radical change.  The alternative of a Sodom and Gomorrah-type decline is not hard to imagine. It is ,in fact, now visible.
 I recommend a serious look at two web sites that set out the Biblical position which is not at variance with the evidences of cause and effect in the staus quo of life nature and behaviour and the way that a fallen world has degenerated and why.
They are   and 
Where scientific, social and belief systems are objectively analysed by eminent scholars and researchers of our day and earlier. Therein lies simple and much easier faith than that needed to believe the conjectural and variable evolutionary scenario that needs far mor faith in mens&#039; ideas that constantly need amendment and far greater gullibility. Where evidences are ignored that point to creation and Bible truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moral and social decline stems from the departure from the more widely acepted authority of The Word of God that obtained prior to the formulation of evolutionary theories of origins.   This hypothesis is predicated on the assumption of astronomical aeons of time as the context of life. Concomittant dismissal of ultimate Sivine judgment has left many feeling that man is the arbiter of his own destiny and social patterns of behaviour. The crux is that this needs to be reversed.  But the hypothesis is blindly believed and propogated as fact. It has, thereby, undermnined and made flexible moral standards and attitudes that this debate seeks to study.<br />
 The current climate of degeneration will inevitably escalate when morality is a variable,- according to the opinion-based theories that devalue man from the true postion of a special recent creation answerable to his or her Maker. </p>
<p>  Jesus predicted a global Hoahic climate of indulgent rebellion in later times.  We who know this are challenged to advocate the remedy and give due warning of the consequences.<br />
That is repentance and faith in God and His power for radical change.  The alternative of a Sodom and Gomorrah-type decline is not hard to imagine. It is ,in fact, now visible.<br />
 I recommend a serious look at two web sites that set out the Biblical position which is not at variance with the evidences of cause and effect in the staus quo of life nature and behaviour and the way that a fallen world has degenerated and why.<br />
They are   and<br />
Where scientific, social and belief systems are objectively analysed by eminent scholars and researchers of our day and earlier. Therein lies simple and much easier faith than that needed to believe the conjectural and variable evolutionary scenario that needs far mor faith in mens&#8217; ideas that constantly need amendment and far greater gullibility. Where evidences are ignored that point to creation and Bible truth.</p>
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		<title>By: A. Wills</title>
		<link>http://www.socialevils.org.uk/2008/04/09/decline-of-values/comment-page-1/#comment-265</link>
		<dc:creator>A. Wills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need to educate children at school in good values, as used to happen in the past.  Some youngsters now don&#039;t even know that it is wrong to lie.
If everybody followed the Ten Commandments there would be no stealing, no murder, no lying.  We&#039;d hardly need a police force except to look for lost children etc.  We could leave our bag around and know it wouldn&#039;t be stolen and not lock our back door, knowing no burglar would come in.  Wouldn&#039;t that be a wonderful world!  Let&#039;s teach youngsters about honesty, decency and caring for other people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need to educate children at school in good values, as used to happen in the past.  Some youngsters now don&#8217;t even know that it is wrong to lie.<br />
If everybody followed the Ten Commandments there would be no stealing, no murder, no lying.  We&#8217;d hardly need a police force except to look for lost children etc.  We could leave our bag around and know it wouldn&#8217;t be stolen and not lock our back door, knowing no burglar would come in.  Wouldn&#8217;t that be a wonderful world!  Let&#8217;s teach youngsters about honesty, decency and caring for other people.</p>
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		<title>By: AW Tanner</title>
		<link>http://www.socialevils.org.uk/2008/04/09/decline-of-values/comment-page-1/#comment-260</link>
		<dc:creator>AW Tanner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 13:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love to be with you 24th Sept 08, but I am an 80 year old war pensioner feeling my days. Maybe someone would quote from my case, especially the last letters to Jack Straw and Gordon Brown concerning corrupt public sector complaints procedures.  can be seen on:  www.psow.co.uk/awtannerpage.html
 Thank you AWTanner</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to be with you 24th Sept 08, but I am an 80 year old war pensioner feeling my days. Maybe someone would quote from my case, especially the last letters to Jack Straw and Gordon Brown concerning corrupt public sector complaints procedures.  can be seen on:  <a href="http://www.psow.co.uk/awtannerpage.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.psow.co.uk/awtannerpage.html</a><br />
 Thank you AWTanner</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.socialevils.org.uk/2008/04/09/decline-of-values/comment-page-1/#comment-258</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s depressing to hear the same old arguments and fixed positions people have on the subject of rights and wrongs, and the role of religion in society.

Unfortunately religion has become a subset of politics, which is surely one of the basic insanities of our society, polarising people into mutually exclusive groups each of which glibly declaims its own exclusive rightness. As one of the above commentators notes, none of these ideas can be both completely right and completely wrong at the same time. How nmany recognise the fast that Christianity, Islam and Judaism are all branches of the same basic Semitic faith which have simply divided along cultural rather than ethical and theological lines? How can the adherents of each faith be logically in any basic disagreement, having after all the same god?

What is needed is to educate people into a sense of cooperation and tolerance of the views of others.

I am not a member of a Christian, Islamic or Jewish group, nor a Buddhist, a Taoist or any other of the major traditional religious groups. I do, however respect the views and beliefs of all of these religions and would defend to the last their right to their practices and observances.

What I do know is that religion is not a control mechanism of itself, but evolved as the cement that builds and holds together civilised society. It embodies the concepts of respect and fairness that are the only way to a livable life. We need to ostracise those who would attempt to use this vital strand of society as a control mechanism to serve their own selfish ends, whether it be the Taliban or the Spanish Inquisition.

Unfortunately there is too much emphasis placed upon ritual and form of worship, rather than on the core values which are enshrined in all religious groups of any colour. There should be a move towards teaching the common values which are the only valid reason for any type of religious faith, and less empasis on the mystical and dogmatic elements which have led to all the strife which is falsely attributed to honest people of faith.

This starts in education, of course. Religious discrimination is no less pernicious than any other kind, and should be so regarded in a 21st-century society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s depressing to hear the same old arguments and fixed positions people have on the subject of rights and wrongs, and the role of religion in society.</p>
<p>Unfortunately religion has become a subset of politics, which is surely one of the basic insanities of our society, polarising people into mutually exclusive groups each of which glibly declaims its own exclusive rightness. As one of the above commentators notes, none of these ideas can be both completely right and completely wrong at the same time. How nmany recognise the fast that Christianity, Islam and Judaism are all branches of the same basic Semitic faith which have simply divided along cultural rather than ethical and theological lines? How can the adherents of each faith be logically in any basic disagreement, having after all the same god?</p>
<p>What is needed is to educate people into a sense of cooperation and tolerance of the views of others.</p>
<p>I am not a member of a Christian, Islamic or Jewish group, nor a Buddhist, a Taoist or any other of the major traditional religious groups. I do, however respect the views and beliefs of all of these religions and would defend to the last their right to their practices and observances.</p>
<p>What I do know is that religion is not a control mechanism of itself, but evolved as the cement that builds and holds together civilised society. It embodies the concepts of respect and fairness that are the only way to a livable life. We need to ostracise those who would attempt to use this vital strand of society as a control mechanism to serve their own selfish ends, whether it be the Taliban or the Spanish Inquisition.</p>
<p>Unfortunately there is too much emphasis placed upon ritual and form of worship, rather than on the core values which are enshrined in all religious groups of any colour. There should be a move towards teaching the common values which are the only valid reason for any type of religious faith, and less empasis on the mystical and dogmatic elements which have led to all the strife which is falsely attributed to honest people of faith.</p>
<p>This starts in education, of course. Religious discrimination is no less pernicious than any other kind, and should be so regarded in a 21st-century society.</p>
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		<title>By: norman longworth</title>
		<link>http://www.socialevils.org.uk/2008/04/09/decline-of-values/comment-page-1/#comment-243</link>
		<dc:creator>norman longworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 13:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a book entitled Learning Cities, Learning regions, Learning Communities the following higher senses (values?) are offered for all children (and adults) to aspire to

sense of ‘other’ - the transcendence of ego that allows individuals to appreciate, and respond to, the existence of other needs, other ideas, other peoples, other cultures, 

sense of ‘planet’ - understanding the need for sustainability of the ecosystems that guarantee the future of us all, and humankind’s responsibility as a planetary steward for all species

sense of ‘together’, and its hierarchy of local, national and global community, the enthusiasm to live, work and communicate sensibly and sensitively with people from a wide variety of cultures, creeds, beliefs and races

sense of ‘wondering’ – of envisioning one’s place in the cosmic scheme of things, striving for insight, seeking self-awareness and understanding of ‘higher’ 

sense of ‘evolving’ – of reaching for enlightenment, achieving fulfilment and realising one’s own enormous potential. 

Would that these were included as learning aims in all schools and colleges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a book entitled Learning Cities, Learning regions, Learning Communities the following higher senses (values?) are offered for all children (and adults) to aspire to</p>
<p>sense of ‘other’ &#8211; the transcendence of ego that allows individuals to appreciate, and respond to, the existence of other needs, other ideas, other peoples, other cultures, </p>
<p>sense of ‘planet’ &#8211; understanding the need for sustainability of the ecosystems that guarantee the future of us all, and humankind’s responsibility as a planetary steward for all species</p>
<p>sense of ‘together’, and its hierarchy of local, national and global community, the enthusiasm to live, work and communicate sensibly and sensitively with people from a wide variety of cultures, creeds, beliefs and races</p>
<p>sense of ‘wondering’ – of envisioning one’s place in the cosmic scheme of things, striving for insight, seeking self-awareness and understanding of ‘higher’ </p>
<p>sense of ‘evolving’ – of reaching for enlightenment, achieving fulfilment and realising one’s own enormous potential. </p>
<p>Would that these were included as learning aims in all schools and colleges.</p>
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		<title>By: Annie Silver</title>
		<link>http://www.socialevils.org.uk/2008/04/09/decline-of-values/comment-page-1/#comment-224</link>
		<dc:creator>Annie Silver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 19:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think there has been a decline in values. There may have been a &quot;dumbing down&quot; of values by institutions to the level of the lowest common denominator, but individuals maintain the values of decency, equality and &quot;doing to others as you would have others do to you&quot;. I volunteer at at a grassroots level with refugees. I am involved in a lay member trade union. I work in the equalities field. Every day, I hear of individuals who are fighting to maintain their values against the buraucracy that is British society today, but not only maintain but fighting to ensure  that the vaules that mean so much have a place in their lives nd those who they work with. The Scottish Parliament signed wholeheartedly to the Convention of Human Rights and all legislation has to be equality proofed against this. On the ground it is the institutions that look for ways of circumventing these values in order to &quot;stop spending the public purse&quot;. Grassroot politics are not going away, they are growing. If there is a serious decline in vlaues, this would not be happening. Therefore I have to disagree that there is a decline of values - at elast in Scotland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think there has been a decline in values. There may have been a &#8220;dumbing down&#8221; of values by institutions to the level of the lowest common denominator, but individuals maintain the values of decency, equality and &#8220;doing to others as you would have others do to you&#8221;. I volunteer at at a grassroots level with refugees. I am involved in a lay member trade union. I work in the equalities field. Every day, I hear of individuals who are fighting to maintain their values against the buraucracy that is British society today, but not only maintain but fighting to ensure  that the vaules that mean so much have a place in their lives nd those who they work with. The Scottish Parliament signed wholeheartedly to the Convention of Human Rights and all legislation has to be equality proofed against this. On the ground it is the institutions that look for ways of circumventing these values in order to &#8220;stop spending the public purse&#8221;. Grassroot politics are not going away, they are growing. If there is a serious decline in vlaues, this would not be happening. Therefore I have to disagree that there is a decline of values &#8211; at elast in Scotland.</p>
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		<title>By: John Wilson</title>
		<link>http://www.socialevils.org.uk/2008/04/09/decline-of-values/comment-page-1/#comment-217</link>
		<dc:creator>John Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 08:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The key problem is the loss of shared Christian values which used to underpin British society with all that society&#039;s injustices. We live in a society which is host to other significant faiths, namely Islam and Judaism. Judaism has a lot in common with Christianity. Islam has a very different perspective on God and his attributes and commands although there are still some shared values. Atheism and its lazy partner agnosticism have brought this nation and indeed the world not only no good but indeed a lot of evil I Hitler, Nazism, Stalinism, Pol Pot etc. I do not basolve Christians from responsibility for some of the evils we experience but they are not intrinsic in Christianity. Socialism and individualism are the opposite poles of state control and ultimately anarchy. Either there is a God or there is not. Either He has made His will known to us in the Commandments or He has not. Either Jesus was God made man and revealed God&#039;s will more fully or he was a poor mistaken fool. A thing can not be true and false at the same time. I make no apology in saying that unless there is a return to Christian values this country will continue to decline morally and in every other way. While I respect Moslems I do not share many of their beliefs or values or intolerance. There is no quick fix. Talk of working out our own shared scheme of values helps very little - we can easily deceicve ourselves and all have vested interests. Personally I can only hope to give my poor efforts at good example as a Christian and pray for myself and my country. At another level it is very important to have dialogue with those of other faiths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The key problem is the loss of shared Christian values which used to underpin British society with all that society&#8217;s injustices. We live in a society which is host to other significant faiths, namely Islam and Judaism. Judaism has a lot in common with Christianity. Islam has a very different perspective on God and his attributes and commands although there are still some shared values. Atheism and its lazy partner agnosticism have brought this nation and indeed the world not only no good but indeed a lot of evil I Hitler, Nazism, Stalinism, Pol Pot etc. I do not basolve Christians from responsibility for some of the evils we experience but they are not intrinsic in Christianity. Socialism and individualism are the opposite poles of state control and ultimately anarchy. Either there is a God or there is not. Either He has made His will known to us in the Commandments or He has not. Either Jesus was God made man and revealed God&#8217;s will more fully or he was a poor mistaken fool. A thing can not be true and false at the same time. I make no apology in saying that unless there is a return to Christian values this country will continue to decline morally and in every other way. While I respect Moslems I do not share many of their beliefs or values or intolerance. There is no quick fix. Talk of working out our own shared scheme of values helps very little &#8211; we can easily deceicve ourselves and all have vested interests. Personally I can only hope to give my poor efforts at good example as a Christian and pray for myself and my country. At another level it is very important to have dialogue with those of other faiths.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrence Bates</title>
		<link>http://www.socialevils.org.uk/2008/04/09/decline-of-values/comment-page-1/#comment-199</link>
		<dc:creator>Terrence Bates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 17:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When wives wages were counted for morgage purposes children were booted to a secondry position in the house.Coming home to a empty house mothers coming home tired and maybe feeling slightly guilty trying to compensate with chicken nuggets and play stations instead of love ,home cooked meals and a sense of belonging.Now of course the combined wages are required to keep the morgage paid.Children look to there friends for leadership and belonging,with no role models parents divorsed sometimes because of morgage problems and teachers unable to remonstrate because of by the book legislation we produce semi literate thugs who terrorise old folks and display a total lack of morals and decency.Because of influences from abroad the relentless loss of British identity puts one in mind of the last years of the Roman Empire god help us because nobody else will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When wives wages were counted for morgage purposes children were booted to a secondry position in the house.Coming home to a empty house mothers coming home tired and maybe feeling slightly guilty trying to compensate with chicken nuggets and play stations instead of love ,home cooked meals and a sense of belonging.Now of course the combined wages are required to keep the morgage paid.Children look to there friends for leadership and belonging,with no role models parents divorsed sometimes because of morgage problems and teachers unable to remonstrate because of by the book legislation we produce semi literate thugs who terrorise old folks and display a total lack of morals and decency.Because of influences from abroad the relentless loss of British identity puts one in mind of the last years of the Roman Empire god help us because nobody else will.</p>
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		<title>By: Aphra Tulip</title>
		<link>http://www.socialevils.org.uk/2008/04/09/decline-of-values/comment-page-1/#comment-197</link>
		<dc:creator>Aphra Tulip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 17:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally have found that younger parents, do not always teach their children manners in the same way that older parents often do. When i was child i had a fantastic pop up book designed to teach me manners, and to bring out the humanity in me. Books like this are now hard to get hold off and i feel this is a great shame, if more material like this was available and as someone else suggested plot lines in soaps depicting this, i think it could go some way into creating role models and bringing back values.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally have found that younger parents, do not always teach their children manners in the same way that older parents often do. When i was child i had a fantastic pop up book designed to teach me manners, and to bring out the humanity in me. Books like this are now hard to get hold off and i feel this is a great shame, if more material like this was available and as someone else suggested plot lines in soaps depicting this, i think it could go some way into creating role models and bringing back values.</p>
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		<title>By: Barrie Singleton</title>
		<link>http://www.socialevils.org.uk/2008/04/09/decline-of-values/comment-page-1/#comment-175</link>
		<dc:creator>Barrie Singleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 10:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JOSEPH ROWNTREE – ERIC BERNE

Joseph Rowntree called upon us all to seek out the fundamental causes of weakness and evil in society. 
Eric Berne gave us a succinct view of self-and-others; the tool required to achieve the above aim. 

I would assert that (whether evil comes from social incompetence or – if such is your view - from letting the Devil in) its root cause IS weakness; the weakness of the individual. 

In Berne’s terms, weakness amounts to an under-developed Adult ego state* in the psyche; a condition I see as pertaining all over the planet. The two terrible truths of society, are: (1) individual weakness is increasing, and (2) the overcompensating-weak, rise to positions of power. Consequently, any corrective effort must reach out directly to the very young as the Powers That Be are, instinctively, fearful of general empowerment. 

I have synthesised an approach. It can be found  www.barriesingleton.co.uk  as outlined in 1995 to Rowntree. Click on “Visionary Stuff”.

Only wisdom empowers; cleverness is inclined to enslave. Development of a strong Adult ego state engenders wisdom and is vital to individual, family, group, state and world stability. Adult strength is the ultimate answer to every weakness and evil.

* Transactional Analysis    http://changingminds.org/explanations/behaviors/ta.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JOSEPH ROWNTREE – ERIC BERNE</p>
<p>Joseph Rowntree called upon us all to seek out the fundamental causes of weakness and evil in society.<br />
Eric Berne gave us a succinct view of self-and-others; the tool required to achieve the above aim. </p>
<p>I would assert that (whether evil comes from social incompetence or – if such is your view &#8211; from letting the Devil in) its root cause IS weakness; the weakness of the individual. </p>
<p>In Berne’s terms, weakness amounts to an under-developed Adult ego state* in the psyche; a condition I see as pertaining all over the planet. The two terrible truths of society, are: (1) individual weakness is increasing, and (2) the overcompensating-weak, rise to positions of power. Consequently, any corrective effort must reach out directly to the very young as the Powers That Be are, instinctively, fearful of general empowerment. </p>
<p>I have synthesised an approach. It can be found  <a href="http://www.barriesingleton.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.barriesingleton.co.uk</a>  as outlined in 1995 to Rowntree. Click on “Visionary Stuff”.</p>
<p>Only wisdom empowers; cleverness is inclined to enslave. Development of a strong Adult ego state engenders wisdom and is vital to individual, family, group, state and world stability. Adult strength is the ultimate answer to every weakness and evil.</p>
<p>* Transactional Analysis    <a href="http://changingminds.org/explanations/behaviors/ta.htm" rel="nofollow">http://changingminds.org/explanations/behaviors/ta.htm</a></p>
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